Homosexuality and the Bible

Homosexuality and the Bible.

Philippe Paquette

(Get ready to be shocked… with no intentions of mine).

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Consider:
 The suicide rate for gay kids is four times that of heterosexual kids — nine times if they’re rejected by their families.

Consider: Being gay is inherent.  Given a choice, most would have chosen a different preference.

PS – After publishing this article, we want our readers to realize that this is one of the most read article on OkChrist.com.  There is a reason for that.  Open your hearts and minds, Christians…  No one knows where the wind blows… so open your minds.  Listen to our wondrous Teacher the Holy Spirit… and don’t close yourselves to HIM. Knowledge is an ongoing event… Christians are not called to “stagnate” on what they learned in the past and what they were thought.

Radio was once considered from the Devil, as well as T.V. and even the Internet. Racism was considered of God, the belief that a what person could not marry a black one was of God.. and there are so many more examples of the evolution of Revelation. This topic is simply another one.
Love you all.
Philippe
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The following are extract of emails between a young woman and www.OkChrist.com
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Dear Phil @ OkChrist. com

(From Selena – real name withheld and extracts edited and published with her permission).

I have an important question in relation to God, Jesus Christ, the Bible and homosexuality…

 
I am deeply troubled with my sexual orientation, my attraction towards women and not men. I strongly feel like God has made me this way. As far as I can remember I have felt like I was a boy stuck in a female body. 

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I have always known I was born a Lesbian. I remember vividly. I was still so very young. As time went by, I struggled with this notion. In fact, I was so mad at God because I had this sexual preference; it was sooo confusing to me.  Here I was feeling a type of love for our Lord Jesus Christ that I have yet to feel again in my life because of this struggle but I was taught that homosexuals, regardless of the Godly choices they made in their lives, would be casted into hell and I did not want to go to hell.  Yet my natural feelings were overwhelming. So, I could not understand why God would allow this to me. So at one stage I simply rejected God altogether. I was in my pre-teens by then.

The photo on your left is from well minded Christians who are simply totally wrong.
Now, decades later, I have re-committed my life to God and believe without a doubt in my soul that the Lord Jesus Christ is my Savior and God is my Father. I have given my life and I want to serve God with all my heart. I have surrendered so that He can utilize me in any way He needs me. 
 
My struggle, my suffering is with my sexual preference. They say I am sinful in my ways and I shall perish for all of eternity. 

My dilemma is I have prayed as a child soooo hard for God to take this Lesbian feeling from me and He never did. I have asked God as an
adult that if He does not want me to be a Lesbian, to take this sexual state and desires from me… but it does not work. 

Now as an adult, I am still wondering why he is not changing my natural desires  It is either because He has made me this way or, is it because I really don’t want to change..?  I don’t dislike men I just need a woman in 
order to feel complete and elevated in my life.  Is this me or
is this sin? 

I know you are a Biblicist so how do you view this?

Thank you for this Phil… I am deeply troubled!

Selena

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Dear Selena,
 
What the Bible says and means about homosexuality.
 
As the following will show, there are generally 2 schools
of thought on the interpretation of the Bible when it comes to same sex issues. 
 
We do believe that this information will allow
you and our readers to make up their own minds or at the very least make us all
think on this substantial issue. As Christians ourselves, we pray that these passages and
explanations will be searched with an open heart.  


As to our personal position, we have a tendency
towards the understanding of the position generally expressed by “Progressive
Christians” and we are not expecting much support from the beloved religious
people on this entry but ask everyone to remain sensitive to what the Lord
wants us to understand in relation with this most important subject.  Since I cannot speak for others, allow my to use “Our understandings” instead of any other names.


(To Christian readers.  Get this.  I was totally “shocked” by my own discovery… so I did think exactly the way you think now… but I did a lot of research (as a Biblicist with studies + Koine).  Really, I was shocked… but also learned that the Spirit of God is VERY present…  God is on earth…), 
 
Thank you Selena for asking the question.
 
In the following, we will use diverse sources. We have edited this topic and used extracts in part from many sources including :
  1. http://www.religioustolerance.org/ Copyright © Ontario Consultants on Religions
  2. Tolerance, Author: B.A. Robinson and from Dr. Robert Gagnon, Pittsburgh Theological
  3. Seminary, as well as many dictionaries such as Wikipedia and other sources.
There are 7 major passages that appear in the Bible in relation with Homosexuality.  We will not
spend time on the Old Testament passages since we believe that the requirements
of the Old Testament have been answered by the sacrificial work of Jesus of
Nazareth.
Many verses in the OT are not applicable to us (don’t eat scaled fish, don’t eat pork, don’t wear two types of garments as in don’t mix cotton with polyester for example  or your are doomed if you plant tomatoes with onions and so forth. There was a good reasons for that at that time… but we are no longer in that time at this time).
So here is a very brief glance at the 4 major passages in the New Testament that appear to discuss same-gender sexual behavior. The following very brief descriptions are necessarily over-simplified. They do not cover the full range of conservative/progressive beliefs. However, you may well find the beliefs that you have been taught in one of these sections:
 
Sections identified as i) are typical interpretation by religious conservatives. “Religious conservatives” include some churches, Temples, etc. or some individuals in the following groups: the Baha’i faith,
Christianity, Islam, and Judaism.
 
Sections identified as ii) are typical interpretation by what we would call Our understandings”. generally believe that the Bible is silent on loving, consensual same-sex sexual behavior. God loves persons of all sexual orientations and Christian morality requires that the beauty of sex be consensual,
non-manipulative, safe and within a loving, committed relationship.


(We believe in the inspiration of God of the entire Bible).
 

New Testament passages

1)       Romans :26-27
For this reason God gave them up to vile lusts; for both their females changed the natural use into that contrary to nature; and in like manner the males also, leaving the natural use of the female, were  nflamed in their lust towards one another; males with males working shame, and receiving in themselves the recompense of their error which was fit.
i)        Religious conservatives
Condemns all homosexual behavior.
 
ii)      Our understandings
Describes a group of heterosexuals who, against their basic nature, engage in same-sex behavior during ritual orgies.
2)      1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (Common English Version)
Don’t you know that people who are unjust won’t inherit God’s kingdom? Don’t be deceived. Those who are sexually immoral, those who worship false gods, adulterers, both participants,[a]  in same-sex intercourse, thieves, the greedy, drunks, abusive people, and swindlers won’t inherit God’s kingdom.  Footnote: [a] 1 Corinthians 6:9 “Or submissive (young) and dominant male sexual partners”
 
i)        Religious conservatives
Sexually active homosexuals will go to Hell, not Heaven, at death.  Both the adult and the young males
will go to hell.  Also, once truly saved, homosexuals will be changed into heterosexuals.
 
ii)      Our understandings
Within the context of the time, these were male child molesters. There are various interpretations of 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 of which his is one. The Jerusalem Bible, New American Bible, and James Moffatt
translation use the word “catamites,” or the phrase “boy prostitutes” to describe one group of individuals that Paul believed condemnable because of their behavior on Earth. Catamites and boy prostitutes
were often a boy or male youth who was kept as a sexual partner/slave of an adult male.  (This was also quite common during the classic Greek period).
3) 1 Timothy 1:9-10
…knowing this, that law has not its application to a righteous person, but to [the] lawless and insubordinate, to [the] impious and sinful, to [the] unholy and profane, to smiters of fathers and smiters of mothers; to murderers, fornicators, sodomites, kidnappers, liars, perjurers; and if any other thing is opposed to sound teaching…
 
i)        Religious conservatives
Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior.
 
ii)      Our understandings
Within the context of this epistle, “sodomite” here refers to child molesters.
4) Jude 1:7
…as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities around them, committing greedily fornication, in like manner with them, and going after other flesh, lie there as an example, undergoing the judgment of eternal fire.
 
i)        Religious conservatives
Sexually active homosexuals will go to Hell, not Heaven, at death.
 
ii)      Our understandings
Humans who have sex with other species “other flesh” (animals).

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The following comments may be of use and therefore are shared in all humility and with a sense of dependence on our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
Even if Christ our Lord has “accomplished” the requirements of the Old Testament and especially the 10 Commandments, the Old Testament remains both inspired by God and of immense value on a moral realm. Let us look now at some passages in the entire Bible directly or indirectly related with our subject.
 
Genesis 1:28 “Be fruitful and multiply”.
This verse makes it clear that God encourages sexual relationships, and having children. Some would argue that this can only involve one-man married to one woman. But is it so? God could approve of both
opposite-sex and same-sex committed relationships. He urges couples to have or adopt children. One personal example to share. We know of two Lesbians who live faithfully together in true love and they adopt Down Syndrome children only. We believe that such a couple can only be commended.
 
Genesis 2:18 “It is not good for the man to be alone”.
God creates humans for marriage and intends for all men to choose one wife. God intends heterosexuals to form a loving relationship with a person of the opposite sex. True. But this does not preclude homosexuals to be involved with a person of the same sex and living as a faithful couple. In essence, God has created us social beings.
 
Genesis 2:23-24 “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and cleave to his wife; and they
shall become one flesh”.

God created union between one man and one women but it does not mean that God does not approve same-sex unions. We recognize that same-sex unions are not the “norm” but surely God does not send people to hell because they are outside the “norm” and especially if they never asked to be this way!
 
Deuteronomy 23:17; 1 Kings 14:24, 15:12; 22:46; 2 Kings 23:7 *Prostitutes; sodomites*.  Translations differ: The King James Version (KJV) calls for exile of “homosexuals” from Israel but better faithful translations (taken from the original texts with the Archaeological discoveries of more ancient biblical texts that Science clearly supports) calls for the exile of all “shrine prostitutes”.  The Hebrew word “Qadesh” is mistranslated as “sodomite” in the KJV. God actually condemns ritual sex in temples.  These verses are unrelated to modern-day homosexuality.
 
Matthew 8:5-13.
The Centurion’s “slave”.
“And when he had entered into Capernaum, a centurion came to him, beseeching him, and saying, Lord, my servant lies paralytic in the house, suffering grievously. And Jesus says to him, I will come and heal him.  And the centurion  answered and said, Lord, I am not fit that thou should enter under my roof; but only speak a word, and (he) shall be healed… when Jesus heard it, he wondered, and said to those who followed, verily I say unto you, not even in Israel have I found so great faith… And Jesus said to the centurion, Go, and as thou hast believed, be it to thee.  And his servant was healed in that hour.”
 
Jesus cured the slave but the context of the practice of the Romans at the time of Christ, the hesitancy of the Centurion being uncomfortable with allowing the Lord in his house and the amazing comment: “…when Jesus heard it (the Centurion’s hesitation to allow him to his house), he wondered…” Many theologians believe that the Lord needed understanding about the situation (as a human) and thus “wondered“. Being Christ, I have no doubt that he understood the true issue at hand.
The reference to “eunuchs” in Matthew 19:12 has been considered by some Christians as referring to homosexual men, particularly in the case of those eunuchs “so born from their mother’s womb”. Some other Christians oppose this argument and state that the Bible’s use of the word “eunuch” refers strictly to men incapable of sexual intercourse or reproduction, through either birth defect or castration.  But if you
look at the definition of a Eunuch, you find a number of purposes for them.

Wikipedia: “eunuch” is from the Greek eune (“bed”) and ekhein (“to keep”), effectively “bed keeper”.Eunuchs were often servants or slaves who, because of their function, had been castrated, usually in order to make them reliable servants but the Jews did not castrate their Eunuchs (at the time of Jesus).In cultures that had both harems and eunuchs, eunuchs were sometimes used as harem servants (compare the female odalisque). An odalisque (female) could, if attracted by the Master, become a lover. It would appear the same to be true with Hebrew Eunuchs (males).  Such Eunuchs could have been a sexual provider for the Master or/and for the Mistress.  Dr. Robert Gagnon, prolific anti-gay, evangelical Christian author, writes that “born eunuchs” in the ancient world were probably gay. “Probably “born eunuchs” in the ancient world did include people homosexually inclined, which incidentally puts to the lie the oft-repeated claim that the ancient world could not even conceive of persons that were congenitally influenced toward exclusive same-sex attractions.”

– Dr. Robert Gagnon,
Pittsburgh Theological Seminary.
 

Final points for your consideration:

 •        John 3:16
” For God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son, that whosoever believes on him may not perish, but .have life eternal.”
Whether a homosexual or heterosexual, whether sexually active or not, all who believe will have eternal life. Yet, all are called to live faithfully.
 
•        Are gays sinners?
Yes, just like all heterosexual.  We are all sinners. That is why we need a Savior.  But gays are not greater sinners because they were born gay. They are simply not within the majority of the people… but that does not make them worse, it makes them outside the norm.
 
•        Can a Gay person serve the Lord.
Yes!  Christ needs disciples in every group of Society and frankly, there are many “Christians” but too few “Disciples”.
 
•        As a last word, God is a God or order.
It is imperative that Men and Women behave with morals: loving, consensual, non-manipulative, safe and within a loving, faithful and committed relationship.
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My dearest Philippe,
WOW!!! I am completely speechless… WOW! Thank you! You have brought light to my darkness and allowed me to lift this weight off my shoulders. (This Catholic bred burden that my earthly father has brain washed into me).
 
I am not going to hell because of this… I was made in this beautiful and wonderful way and God needs me to be this way for as you said He needs disciples in every corner of the world to reach every type of
being.  As long as I serve Him, glorify Him through the gifts and talents He has sent me here with, honor Him through contributing to the brethren of mankind and all that is life for it has been given by Him… I shall be walking in His light, standing with faith… then, I therefore have nothing to fear for I stand with Him in all His glory and believe in His sacrificial work on the cross!
 
Wow…! Anyway, you have my ok on publishing our exchanges.  I do believe as well that it would help so many with this burden that splits faith or our ability to have faith in the Lord and still be who we are… all through standing in the light as you stated… we are called to live a Godly life no matter our sexual orientation – meaning hetero or homosexual. I am not a pedophile -I am now a gay lover of Christ who chooses to worship Him!  I knew you’d come through and because of this and your amazing website. God works in mysterious ways!
 
Thank you again Phil… May God continue to bless you!
gay9

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Thank you Selena.  

 
This is so nice.  Indeed, you can and must be bold. In fact, Christ has “commanded” us to “make disciples”. That is the calling of all Christians… but most have not heard this commandment… cause
it’s tough… it brings rejection… 
 
As to Lesbians and Gays, if so many of them hate and reject God… that is mostly because the Church rejects them and told them that God hates them… and that is not true at all…  

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Above photo taken from Christians expressing their regrets to Gays on Pride day in the USA. 
 We must not confuse the human (sinful) element of men (religiosity) – view this as the horizontal influence while the real message comes from heaven (vertical force) and God tells all:
 
I LOVE YOU
 
and have paid for all your sins, past, present and future.  
 
All you need to do is  B E L I E V E.  
 
So carry on baby.  Become a faithful servant.  Jesus looks upon you with a smile. 
 

Philippe Paquette

#philippepaquette

www.OkChrist.com

 

So that is Our understanding.  info@OkChrist.com
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Heart Land Proclamation

 

As Christian clergy
We proclaim the Good News concerning Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) persons and publicly apologize where we have been silent. As disciples of Jesus, who assures us that the truth sets us free, we recognize that the debate is over. The verdict is in. Homosexuality is not a sickness, not a choice, and not a sin. We find no rational biblical or theological basis to condemn or deny the rights of any person based on sexual orientation. Silence by many has allowed political and religious rhetoric to monopolize public perception, creating the impression that there is only one Christian perspective on this issue. Yet we recognize and celebrate that we are far from alone, as Christians, in affirming that LGBT persons are distinctive, holy, and precious gifts to all who struggle to become the family of God.
In repentance and obedience to the Holy Spirit, we stand in solidarity as those who are committed to work and pray for full acceptance and inclusion of LGBT persons in our churches and in our world. We lament that LGBT persons are condemned and excluded by individuals and institutions, political and religious, who claim to be speaking the truth of Christian teaching. This leads directly and indirectly to intolerance, discrimination, suffering, and even death. The Holy Spirit compels us:
  • to affirm that the essence of Christian life is not focused on sexual orientation, but how one lives by grace in relationship with God, with compassion toward humanity;
  • to embrace the full inclusion of our LGBT brothers and sisters in all areas of church life, including leadership;
  • to declare that the violence must stop. Christ’s love moves us to work for the healing of wounded souls who are victims of abuse often propagated in the name of Christ;
  • to celebrate the prophetic witness of all people who have refused to let the voice of intolerance and violence speak for Christianity, especially LGBT persons, who have met hatred with love;
Therefore we call for an end to all religious and civil discrimination against any person based on sexual orientation and gender identity and expression. All laws must include and protect the freedoms, rights, and equal legal standing of all persons, in and outside the church. 

Source: http://www.heartlandproclamation.org/


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4 comments on “Homosexuality and the Bible
  1. Robert Gauthier says:

    You have taken a stand that requires a rebuttal from scripture.
    You have made these remarks in public and I for one would also like to publicly scrutenized your comments.

    Will they be posted on O.K. Christ?

    After all you did allow Heart Land Proclamation to be posted! The same christian professialism and liberty should entitle me to publish a public reply alongside your comments and their Proclamation.

    Or will one be allowed to stand up and defend what James as beautlfully said “Think ye that the scripture speak in vain?” James 4:5

    Your brother in Christ

    Robert Gauthier

    • Dear Robert,

      Allow me to teach you how a Website works. You will appreciate this and I share this with the love you know I have for you.

      You assume too much in your previous comment but that is probably due to your lack of experience with a Website. When you own a website, you realize quite fast that the majority of the “Comments” to the Posts are simply not worthy of publishing.

      Not all comments are allowed mostly because they are either SPAM or erroneous. So, I don’t allow 80% of the comments sent to OkChrist.com because they are simply useless if not filth.

      So it would be out of place for anyone to ask an owner, before Posting a response, to have the Owner give his word that the “unknown” Post will be posted. It all depends on the quality of the Post.

      So dearest, no need to question my Christian integrity. It does not suit you well. :-) I know you… so you should have no worries about my Christian integrity (by now). We have known each other for almost half a century. I am not here with “my own agenda”. I truly believe that the Word of God is Supreme and always have. You should know that of me, dear brother.

      In your case, I know you and I am 99.99% certain that your “rebuttal” will be Posted because of my knowledge of your gift and your person. I don’t only Post items that agree with me. Not at all. In fact, I invite Posts that have something new to shed on any Scriptural messages that I have published. So, I will not commit before reading your Post but even if it is diametrically opposed to my position but expressed in the language that honors Christ with valid Scriptural sources, it will most definitely be posted… but no personal attacks will be allowed. We can disagree without being disagreeable. And we will both continue to love each other as true brothers in Christ.

      Expressing different understandings on a specific topic in Scriptures, when done in Grace, can only enrich all the readers. Let them seek the Scriptures. It can only be to their spiritual profit.

      I hope this helps you take the freedom of expressing your valued understanding of a very delicate subject. We both know that there are 2 schools of thought about same gender preference Christians and OkChrist.com allows Posts that expresses Comments from the “other” School of thought… and I even hope, deep in my heart, that if I am in error, I will confess it to my Lord and to the Public. But then, I will be deeply appreciative of having learned something new from Christ.

      Then, there is one major DANGER for all of us Christians. “Spiritual Pride”. (One that thinks they know everything and they have no need of the Holy Spirit because they have been taught something from those preceding us and are insensitive (closed minded) to the Holy Spirit). This attitude refuses to listen to the Grand Teacher, the Holy Spirit. In my case, on this topic, I had to totally make a 180 degree change in my thinking, in my heart once I had searched the Scriptures. In fact I was shocked at what I discovered. What has been thought in the past does not seem to me and others to be related to our current situation… and thus, these teachings were erroneous, in my view. And if you don’t convince me of some “interpretation, do expect a counter response, using Scriptures as our Foundation of the only Truth we have.

      One last thing. I presume that your Comments are related to my Post: “Homosexuality and the Bible”: found here: Homosexuality and the Bible

      Before posting, I would kindly ask you to realize that I totally divorce this topic between “Gay Christians” and “Homosexuals” in the World.

      I find that a very large segment of Gays in the world (not born again), act in a most despicable moral manner and I am not addressing anything in my Post related to them. I leave them to God. I was answering to a Born Again young Christian woman. Please get that in context in your Comment. Otherwise, you will not be commenting on my Post but on something “General” that we most probably all agree with. The issue here is Christian Gays… Please do take that in consideration in your encouraged Comment. Tks.

      You know of my affection in Christ.

      Philippe

  2. Robert Gauthier says:

    Dearest Phil,
    Thank you for your reply and christian love.

    Your last paragraph is well written and will try to write within the bounds. Unfortunately, sometimes general biblical concept need to be elaborated otherwise conscience becomes the rule.

    Generaly speaking conscience without the authority of the Holy Scripture becomes self will.

    I will not rush on a reply so sensitive to souls who might be reading these comments.

    Will surely re-read carefully your comments with several “selah” ( pause).

    One of the last written N.T. book is Jude. He calls himself a slave of Jesus Christ. He wanted to write on the faith once delivered to the saints, but is spirit was occupied with the different apostasies that had creep in during his lifetime.

    As you know my dearest affection toward you…

    Affectionately in Him

    Robert

    • I was recently approached by our dearest Claude who wondered why I did not respond to your last entry, Robert.

      Frankly, I had forgotten about it, simply because I lack the comprehension of your post.

      But since you are suggesting (maybe – not clear to me) that {your words} – “…conscience without the authority of the Holy Scripture becomes self will…”, I must consider this as an affront but then, even if I am correct, it simply sounds like the Pharisees accusing Christ our Lord again and again for thinking differently from what they had been taught for decades before Christ… and even if a teaching is repeated for centuries, Christ has taught us that it does not necessarily make it right.

      What we need is the Holy Spirit TODAY to understand God’s thoughts. No religiosity.

      Phil

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